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, people like bob rubin and larry summers who are close confidants of the obama administration are probably telling them, "look, if we start prosecuting all kinds of people for you know, x, y and z, there's going to be major instability in the markets. people are going to flee america. they're going to withdraw capital from the american financial system. it'll be a disaster. jobs will be lost." but it's just not an acceptable it's explanation. i think they're -- >> why? >> well, just because the rule of law isn't really the rule of law if it doesn't apply equally to everybody. i mean, if you're going to put somebody in jail for having a joint in his pocket, you can't let higher ranking hsbc officials off for laundering $800 million for the worst drug dealers in the entire world. people who are suspected, not only of dealing drugs, but of thousands of murders. i mean, this is an incredible dichotomy. and eventually, you know, it eats away at the very fabric of society when some people go to jail and some people don't go to jail. >> but do you ever have the sense that those guys are, you know
, and john kerry, joe biden to last a blunt about this. barack obama had taken that position. the reality was, it was another backdoor attempt, and jim webb put it on the record. another backdoor attempt of the administration of george bush and on rumsfeld and dick cheney to say now we have a reason to go to war. that is the first time we have ever singled out any entity and any other country as a terrorist organization and said, okay, we have to single them out. >> a third of the senate voted for that position. >> let me ask you, marc. is the irg a terrorist organization or not? >> i do not know. >> let him finish the answer. >> i do know this. i know when it was politically and realistically. was it an attempt to give more strength to an administration that had taken us into a war that was a disaster, which has been a disaster, and which has left the united states even more isolated and strengthen iran? because of the invasion and occupation of iraq, iran is a more dominant, influential, and stronger flow in the world. >> immigration reform. republicans get the message. >> a process that in
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